What are the main criticisms of 12-step programs?
The reason why there is so much criticism of the 12-step approach is because it is the dominant paradigm. It has been around for 50 plus years. It has not really changed; there is not a new addition, no a new attempt to reintegrate new knowledge. It is based on theories and models of personality and sociology of the 1930s. It is an easy target, to be frank; that’s where most of the criticism comes from. The success rate, also, is dubious. It is someplace between 5 and 15, depending on the research you check. The problem is that it’s being applied as a ‘one-size-fits-all for all things’, and it was never designed as such. Therefore it’s easy to criticize its shortcomings in particular domains or things such as that. It is just not, like any treatment, a fix for everything that ails you. Yet traditionally, the people who have recovered through a 12-step program are quite enthusiastic about their own success, and try to convert others into that model. For more information visit http://www.aaalternatives.com
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Tags: 12, 12-step, 12step, AA, na, recovery, step, treatment
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
AA is responsible …
AA is responsible for the Nazi Holocaust…
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Hammer I do …
Hammer I do typicall like a lot of what you have to say about psycho-emotional stuff it is an interesting concept, and hey there may be something to it. But man you put yourself in with some rally embassing company when you do this. Donkeys like, 2p, godlessweasal, and my all time favorite commonsense1111 . Your way to good for that. Gday!
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
AA killed them…
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AA killed them…
TO DEATH!!!
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
LOL Hammer you have …
LOL Hammer you have a such a propensity for grandiosity. If ANYTHING killed tens of millions of anything it would be world news. come one man, you do have the ability to respond in a mature matter, thats just plain silliness~ G day
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
great post!
great post!
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
n.a. is based on …
n.a. is based on spiritual principles, moral philosophy … ethics ..
heh i should let you say what the you want cause its in the traditions …
or you can come at a n.a. concience meeting
thanks .. if an addict doesnt want help if hes not blown to pieces selling himself in the street for drugs .. yeah youre free .. as far as i know no one obligates addicts to come to meetings … accept criticism and let go na guys … love you
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
12 Steppers attack …
12 Steppers attack me all the time for refusing to admit I’m powerless over food. I used this video on my blog today (TheSkinnyOnline) so my readers can see it. Thanks!!
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
You got spammed for …
You got spammed for that?
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
OK, I get it…..
OK, I get it…..
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Probably…
I can …
Probably…
I can actually remember…
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Is that a joke?
Is that a joke?
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Click on the …
Click on the aaalternatives link in the blurb on the side.
It’s FULL of sponsored links…
Maybe there’s something to that AA argument that guys like this (and Peele et al) are merely trying to carve out a piece of the commercial rehab market for themselves….
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
AA & NA is FREE and …
AA & NA is FREE and doesn’t really demand much. Addicts are addicts and I’d rather hang with a clean addict then someone who is using. It may have saved my life. Although I no longer attend meetings and rarely go to functions, I’ll always be grateful to both programs. NA/AA works if you work it (the steps). People who really work the steps are very happy. Too bad that most people don’t work the steps.
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Yes as we type we …
Yes as we type we are making lamp shades of their skins soap from their fat and seem to be running low on Zyklon B. But dont worry, what we dont kill the bottle will Blah Ha ha ha its a perfect no win situation for das alchies!!! You can run but you cannot hide Veee shall find you. Such sillyness~~~ Wooo hoo its Friday!!!! Great to be sober, morning meeting was awsome!!!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Well I think that …
Well I think that some people get upset by the fact that AA is RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COLD BLOODED MURDER OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF INNOCENT ALCOHOLICS!!!
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Well this whole …
Well this whole Anti AA thing is just so pathetic, its just a bastion for the absurd. Of all the rightous fights you could take up in life like hunger a group of about 20 lonley souls would take up such a cause. It is a big planet and AA just keeps growing so it of no consequence but it is just plain old bizzare. Look up Alcoholics Anonymous and Nambla: Partners in Ideals part 1 and this little gem.
Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay Sadomasochism. Tell me he is not dying to come out of the closet.
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
“And then they …
“And then they them all in the !!!!!”
I’m glad someone brought this up because I’ve always wanted to ask this question:
Why is there so much male-male sexual ault in AA?
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
YES YES YES They …
YES YES YES They keep them there for there money!!!!! And then they them all in the !!!!! Yes you are so right on bro, I wish to God I had seen this 15 years ago I can nevedr get those years back!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Well but then I would have never had those years. Well at least without doing them behind bars such enlightenment around here. Im sure the whole thing will collapse any day now…….Donkies
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Well what do I do …
Well what do I do if my real doctor is in my morning meeting? As for your idiot generalization, you paint alot of people that I KNOW you have not done the things in life they have. Unless you too have walked on the moon….. loser
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
dis agree. If that …
dis agree. If that were true, AA would not exist because no one would go. We would just quit and that would be that. But then, Im not as smart as you. I will say you did your homework, you have a good case against it. If AA go;s away what will be in your gun sights next?
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Ah your right, …
Ah your right, I have just had a moment of clarity. I see it all now! I feel so much better… what a donkey
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
AA is really not …
AA is really not interested in alcoholics in general, but only as they relate to AA itself as potential recruits. In fact AA’s main purpose is to keep members coming to meetings & to recruit new members from an endless supply of pigeons.
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
joey – why is …
joey – why is questioning/voicing dissent/disagreeing with the 12X12 model invariably cast as ‘bashing’? why can’t constructive criticism be taken exactly for what it is?
further why is ‘bashing’ christianity a more acceptable practice? in theory, the church can offer up the same success rates in sobering up addicts/alcoholics as AA or NA (hint: none of the three organizations officially keep figures).
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
its easy to get …
its easy to get sober but how long will it last. why is it that you people need to bash this stuff some people feel as tho it works if it dont work for you go get help somwhere else. And you people talk about cults and religion im an athiest and a member of NA you people should be spending more time bashing CHRISTIANITY which is the biggest cult to ever hit man kind instead you waste your time on us addicts.
August 24th, 2009 at 2:40 am
as a former stepper …
as a former stepper i can firmly state that the most cogent criticism of 12 step programs is simply this: by & large they don’t work in keeping people sober.
they may enhance a sense of non-denominational ‘faith’, but they don’t work any better or worse than spontaneous remission when it comes to ‘abstaining’ completely from alcohol or drug intake.
faith-based, feel-good, motivational bloviating that recedes 10 minutes after leaving the meeting. no real, lasting ’solutions’.