AA Is Not The Only Way

Purpose: To teach others that if they practice the OPPOSITE of AA cult doctrine, they will be successful with their struggles with the drug alcohol. Powerful, NOT Powerless !!

The True hidden agenda now exposed !!

On page 77 of the Big Book, it states:
"Our real purpose is to fit ourselves to be of maximum service to God".

Not to stop drinking, not to "carry the message", NO! "To be of maximum service to God", yet they claim not to be religious.

yeah – to enable an alcoholic to reach a point where they are ready to stop drinking they have to reach a place called their ‘rock bottom’ and whilst other people are still helping them to drink they will never reach this point and therefore never need to stop drinking.

Helping an alcoholic to drink can be done in many ways such as:
– Buying the alcohol
– Excusing their behaviour
– Hiding their behaviour
– Lying for them to employers to help them keep a job
This list goes on and on and is called enabling.

Once an alcoholic cannot manipulate others into enabling them to drink life will become much harder and they will reach their rock bottom, the place where they decide they cannot go on like this any longer and so reach a point of surrender and reach out for help with their alcoholism.

Alcoholism is a progressive disease which kills many people each year – although no cure for alcoholism has yet been found there is a solution which can help alcoholics stop drinking one day at a time (and these days soon add up!)

If you know someone who is an alcoholic suggest they go to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. I would also suggest that you get some support for yourself at Al-Anon – the helpline numbers will be available in your phone directory.

Or, could it be an amalgam of both?

What shall we declare as the criteria for something to qualify as a disease?

Wouldn’t you agree that we need to have standards that are generally acceptable in terms of what constitutes a disease, as opposed to a poor life choice?

I don’t think that you can classify anything that is intentional as a disease. I have always hated alcoholics claiming it as a disease. Try explaining to an 8 year Leukemia patient with an inoperable tumor that alcoholism is a disease. Users and addicts need to be accountable and stop acting like it is something that was done to them.

Should alcoholics compete equally for such a scarce resource with those whose liver disease are not a result of their lifestyle choice?

What’s your opinion on the issue?

This question hit close to home for me since I have primary biliary disease and was given a liver transplant. I waited on the list for 18 months along with many waiting inactive alcoholics.

If the alcoholic proves that he/she is no longer drinking and has made a serious life change committed to never drink, then I believe he/she should be able to get a transplant. Most transplant centers require at least 6 months of proven sobriety plus random bloodwork testing for alcohol. If the bloodwork turns up positive for alcohol prior to transplant, they will be tossed off the list and it would be nearly impossible to get listed again. I think it’s about the best we can do on this issue, and I agree with the way it is done in trying to be fair to everyone.

I went to enter a program or somehow get help for my alcohol addiction. I don’t really want to go to AA because I have intense anxiety about speaking in front of a lot of people and I doubt that any kind of treatment would work if I wasn’t able to share my thoughts. It also seems too much like a cult to me.
Any suggestions or success stories to an alternative?

SOS:

http://www.sossobriety.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/sossaveourselves/

SMART:

http://www.smartrecovery.org/

http://smartrecovery.org/SMARTBoard/

LifeRing:

http://www.unhooked.com/index.htm

http://forums.delphiforums.com/lifering/start

RR:

http://www.rational.org/

And with all those options, the majority of people, 80%, quit on their
own.

"Another estimate is that at least 50% of alcoholics eventually free themselves although only 10% are ever treated. One recent study found that 80% of all alcoholics who recover for a year or more do so on their own, some after being unsuccessfully treated. When a group of these self-treated alcoholics was interviewed, 57% said they simply decided that alcohol was bad for them. Twenty-nine percent said health problems, frightening experiences, accidents, or blackouts persuaded them to quit. Others used such phrases as "Things were building up" or "I was sick and tired of it." Support from a husband or wife was important in sustaining the resolution."
Treatment of Drug Abuse and Addiction — Part III, The Harvard Mental Health Letter, October 1995.

Personally, I feel that all those groups are great for those who have
been through AA and have had it pounded into their heads that they NEED a group in order to quit. That’s BS, but AA has been very successful in getting people to believe that piece of misinformation.

Being around others for support can be a good thing, but ultimately, it
is up to the individual to use or not.

My boyfriend is the person im going to marry in life, i love him so much, but he has a bad drinking problem. I was wondering if anyone knew any good online support groups for spouses of alcoholics?

www.12stepforums.net. You should really go to face to face meeting for alanon and he should go to the reg. AA meetings. If he won’t go then it would greatly benefit you to understand this disease by going to alanon. Also there are lots of good books at the library on alanon. Hope this helps, you are very smart to want to help him, it will make a big difference in your life together.

I have drank on a daily basis (beer) only for 20 years now. Sometimes between 10 and 18 beers a day. I have stopped now, it has been seven days and I have not had a single DT from it. I still have the urge but out of boredom and routine. Can I break this without any help? And if so what are any methods that could help me.. keep in mind I own a bar…. thanks

Yes, definatelty. It will be quite difficult, but so far you seem to be doing a good job. It’s all about willpower, if you really want to you should be able to. But, most likely, you will need some support — especially if you own a bar. You should ask your friends to quit drinking with you for a few days each just so you have some one to be sober with. But hey, if you find it difficult to quit without help there is absolutely NO shame in getting a little bit of help on the side.

Best of luck.

Please give me specifics (bioligical) on why you think it is a disease, and why people claim they have no power over it?
That would be *biological*, not that other word I mis-spelled up there.

The most convincing argument for alcoholism/addiction being a disease
comes from Terry Gorski:

"If alcoholism is defined as a disease, it will be treated as a healthcare problem. As a result, alcoholics will be assured the right to receive appropriate medical treatment for this disease. The treatment of Alcoholism will be covered by health insurance and other health care financing plans in both the public and private sectors. The appropriate health care groups will be mobilized to support its treatment. And, most importantly, ongoing biomedical research which relates alcoholism to other diseases will be funded.

If alcoholism is not defined as a disease, we will be making the decision that it does not rightfully belong within healthcare. Alcoholics, then, will be denied access to vital healthcare services. Insurance and other health care financing plans will exclude alcoholism.

Alcoholism, which is responsible for 30% of all inpatient hospital days and nearly 50% of emergency room visits, will be divorced from the medical field. As a result it will never be fully integrated into our health care system."

There it is, the ECONOMIC reason that they’re called "diseases".

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