Saying “No” To AA

Why would anyone want to say “no” to AA or Alcoholics Anonymous, the world’s largest support group for “alcoholism addiction“?  The biggest difference between Alcoholics Anonymous and non 12-step groups is that AA is a faith based program and the others aren’t. In a nutshell, if you don’t have a faith in God (or in a Higher Power), you may have difficulty working 12 step programs. Fortunately, some recovery methods have been developed which are not faith based. Why are there meetings other than Alcoholics Anonymous? Some people have real difficulties with the spirituality part of AA because they are atheists, agnostics or because they believe in a religious teaching which doesn’t mesh with AA’s program and the focus on a higher power. They don’t connect with the program. Alcoholics Anonymous is not for everybody, but it isn’t trying to be all things to all people. Perhaps the reason some people say no to the AA paradigm is the fact that they are discouraged and expected a program that could help them. You can say no to AA and look into non 12-step programs.

How do you measure whether a support group or meeting is a good one? Perhaps the biggest measure is whether the group helps you achieve your goals with the least amount of negative influences. When one leaves a meeting, he/she should feel that some piece of knowledge about his/her struggle was obtained. Insight was found. Almost every meeting should leave you feeling better than when you started the meeting.  Say “no” to meetings that leave you feeling “down” or negative.

There are facts and opinions floating around the internet regarding the success rate of Alcoholics Anonymous. Some say 5% or 1 in 20 recover through AA; another source says that only 5% of newcomers remain in AA after a year.  Where are statistics for non 12-step organizations?  Notice how no one is really providing adequate documentation and statistics? Why does it matter? Well, most people would not invest their time and energy in a program known for poor results. Think about it. When you investigate claims about a group or organization, find the truth by going to the information source. Don’t take anyone’s word for it. Just say no to AA or any group if it fails to meet your criteria or expectations.

At times, some AA groups get quite large and number over 100 people. When this happens, groups are split into smaller groups so everyone can take part. Most often, people come together in large numbers (100+) only for speaker meetings. Regardless of the meeting size, everyone wants to take their turn by saying what happened to them in the previous week. Almost always, the message of Alcoholics Anonymous is lost because these people demand to be heard, and talk about all their failures. These are the kind of meetings where saying no to attending AA makes sense. Walking away confused and irritated after a meeting is contrary to our reason for attending.

One group of about forty met in their AA meeting with many young people and a few old timers. In the group there were two individuals who should have been removed from the group. AA did not provide a framework for governing and dealing with these men. One man tried to be the sponsor of every teenage boy who came into the meeting. He molested one 15-year old boy and the group did nothing. Also, a man in his 20’s had been a sponsor for a few young teen females in an attempt to have sex with them (men aren’t supposed to sponsor women). In summary, the group became a “meat market” with the sole focus of “picking up” new members to AA. This kind of group may be more common than one believes and requires that the parents of teens go to meetings to safeguard their own children from predators. Just say no to attending this kind of dysfunctional Alcoholics Anonymous meeting – watch out for predators in any kind of meeting.

A small number of alternatives to Alcoholics Anonymous have arisen for various reasons. One helps the newcomer reduce his/her drinking to the point where it doesn’t cause them harm. Some are abstinence oriented such as AA while others focus on methods of reducing alcohol consumption. If you choose to continue drinking, even at a lower level, then AA will not be a good choice. Most of the non 12-step groups have cognitive behavioral therapy as a main treatment approach. Essentially, the non-AA programs show people another way to think, and that change in thinking results in changed behavior. Finding a non-AA group near you may be difficult because there aren’t many groups as compared to AA. Do you want to “work your program” over the phone by yourself because meetings are nonexistent where you live? Or drive an hour to a meeting or therapy? If it’s a good meeting, the effort to attend will be worth it. Check out your alternatives completely before closing the door to past programs.

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Part I

If you have questions…

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How is alcoholism a disease?

I understand why it is a disease, but from a medical standpoint, how does the uncontrollable addiction occour?

The Disease theory of alcoholism states that alcoholism, or problem drinking, is in some cases the result of an underlying disease. Outside the medical community, there is considerable debate over whether or not alcoholism should be considered a disease. Proponents argue that genetic, neurological and behavioral studies distinguish those with alcohol dependence from other problem drinkers. Opponents cite the inability to pin down the behavioral issues to a physical cause as a reason for avoiding classification.

Most medical clinicians consider alcoholism an addiction and a disease influenced by genetic, psychological, and social factors and characterized by compulsive drinking with impaired control and preoccupation with and use of alcohol despite adverse consequences. However, the disease theory is still controversial among the public at large. US Supreme Court decisions, books, and scientific journal articles demonstrate this lack of consensus

Why do so many people think Alcoholics Anonymous is a dangerous Cult?

…some things about the program never felt quite right…Now I know why.

http://www.aadepragramming.org

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Correction: http://aadeprogramming.org

Because it is?

Oh, they can claim "spiritual, not religious" all they want, but in the Big Book chapter "Into Action", ir reads, "Our real purpose is to fit ourselves to be of maximum service to God…"

Cult members usually won’t admit to being in a cult, but some AA members are so far gone they say, "Well, if it’s a cult, I’m glad to be a cult member" and "Brainwashed? My brain needed a good washing".

If you have problems with the AA deprogramming link, try:

http://aadeprogramming.morerevealed.com/

How do alcoholics not get hangovers?

I was just reading a question in another forum. This woman said she drank every single day to the point of passing out drunk. Now, personally, if I get sloshed I will definitely be feeling it the next day. The last thing I would want to do is drink again. I have watched enough "Intervention" to know that hard-core alcoholics never seem to get a hangover. I’m just a little confused as to why.

This is a great question with a lot of potential answers! The obvious answer is, some people like to exagerate their personal situation, and "every single day" may mean Friday,Saturday, and Sunday, while "to the point of passing out drunk" may mean she has low tolerance.

Tolerance! A good topic, and basically means how much you can drink before getting drunk. Our bodies are all different, but a single defining fact is we all are a victim of our own body weights when it comes to metabolizing alcohol. I am a heavier male, and it takes quite a bit more for me to get drunk than a person half my size. because of this, The added quantity of alcohol still affects my liver and kidneys, and makes me sick as it goes through. just as sick as a person half my weight that would drink as much. It all has to come out in the end.

Different alcohols also affect the body differently. Once again we are all different, and some people can tolerate different beverages better than others. One person may respond well to beer but poorly to distilled beverages, while another may be able to drink a fifth of bacardi 151 in a night and wake up peachy keen. Part may be heredity, and part may also be the act(art) of building up one’s tolerance through regimented drinking.

Hair of the Dog! No, its not a nazareth song (Heir of the dog in intended lyrical meaning despite the spelling). This just means there is an old techinique a LOT swear by that is called "hair of the dog that bit you". meanign, you drink one of whatever you were drinking last night, but in the morning after. This basically means you drinking, roll back asleep, and when you wake AGAIN you feel better. this does not, of course, negate the crappy feeling you experience during your first waking. So I never did this, and I don’t propose you do it. Coffee has more chance of helping than this, unless there is some secret conditioning technique that makes this a clinically proven technique. Is it clinically proven? Nope!

Here’s a snip from cnn.com

"The only proven cure is to avoid "the hair of the dog" that bit you." Article in sources.

There are also elements of our diet that reduce/eliminate hangover effects. One person may eat something greasy before drinking large quantities to delay/eliminate the onset of inebriation. I’ve heard of one guy eating an entire stick of butter prior to drinking. I personally found tylenol taken halfway into drinking will give me a head start on healing, as I sleep it off. Another possible variable involved in the answer to this question could be pace. Maybe its on how fast you drink. Since it takes time to feel the effects of alcohol, perhaps people who pace it out correctly without rushing have a beter handle on the condition. I remember a pre-christmas gift to myself about 8 years ago was a case of chimey grand reserve. That cost me about 80 dollars, but was an excelent case of abbey beer with elevated alool content. They were in double sized bottles (I think 22-26 oz, somewhere in between). The first bottle went down well, and I waited a bit. the second bottle went down, and I felt the same, buzzy, happy. the third bottle went down, and I looked at the remaining 9 and wondered how many it would take to drown my sorrows. and as I popped the fourth, it hit me. like a freight train, all at once. needless to say, I was extremely sick the next day and a good portion of the next.

So…How fast you drink, What you drink, How long you’ve been drinking, how much you drink regularly, what you take during your drinking sessions, and maybe even the softness/hardness of your bed/place you crashed to sleep it off.

That’s just a quickie diatribe off the top of my mind on the subject, delivered from the mouth of a hardcore drinker who has had his fair share of "jump out of bed, ready to jog a mile" mornings, along with a few sessions of worshiping the porcelin goddess. (although I have to admit it has been at least four years and too many bottles to count since the last time I was actually "sick" from drinking.

What stigma and barriers exist that prevent women from seeking treatment for alcoholism?


The barriers are some women are single mothers and have to worry about losing their children to the system while they are in treatment. If they are single mothers who will pay the bills why they are in treatment.
The biases that exist against women being addicted. Society definitely looks at women differently then at men on this issue.
There are very few treatment centers designed specifically for women and also many women that have addiction issues also have issues separate from those of addiction that may or may not contribute to the addiction, such as child hood trauma, sexual molestation. And these issues need to be addressed along with the substance addiction.
Hope this is helpful, God bless

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